Replace PIL with Pillow on PyPI

[matysek]

Is there any chance that Pillow team could take over ownership of PyPI page https://pypi.python.org/pypi/PIL/ and that Pillow would became the "official" version of PIL?

It would be nice if Pillow could be installed just by command pip install PIL.

[wiredfool]

I think we'd need Fredrik Lundh to do that, and I haven't seen anything him in ~5 years.

That entry is ancient, as it even predates the last actual PIL release, which was 1.1.7.

[radarhere]

If this is the way to go, it looks like one would create a support request to recover the page from Fredrik Lundh, along the lines of http://sourceforge.net/p/pypi/support-requests/562/

[hugovk]

Or contact the author directly. That's what I did with my fork of pylast, and he gave me access: pylast/pylast#92.

[radarhere]

In trying to find contact details, a WHOIS lookup for effbot.org will provide an e-mail address. There is an @effbot user on GitHub, but that may or may not be Fredrik Lundh.

I presume that we'd want @aclark4life to become the owner of the index page.

[hugovk]

Try this: https://github.com/google/closure-templates/blob/master/python/abstract_translator.py#L35

[radarhere]

Thanks. I've sent an e-mail, we'll see what happens.

[aclark4life]

I don't expect to hear from Fredrik, but of course it can't hurt to ask. For reference, here's where Pillow was introduced in July 2010:

• https://mail.python.org/pipermail/image-sig/2010-July/006423.html

More interesting comments in August 2010:

• https://mail.python.org/pipermail/image-sig/2010-August/thread.html

My favorite comment from Fredrik, which gave my effort legitimacy (in my mind), is here:

• https://mail.python.org/pipermail/image-sig/2010-August/006429.html

At least a packaging fork means that someone's over there is producing something more than
invectives, but I'd still prefer a patch.

Regarding whether we want this to happen, maybe. There's a lot to think about with regard to Pillow actually becoming PIL and I've not done any of that thinking yet. I'm not opposed to it, but I'd want to make sure it was "done right" and I'm not sure what that means. At the very least, I'd want to have a good reason and I'd want to reduce confusion, not add to it.

[radarhere]

Fredrik replied, saying that he'd attempt to get around to it next week.

I'm not necessarily advocating that we do make Pillow the 'official' version of PIL. I do think that updating the page to show 1.1.7 would be good, and changing the description to make people aware of Pillow would be good.

[aclark4life]

@radarhere Great, glad to hear

[wiredfool]

+1 @aclark4life

[aclark4life]

I'm going to assume this isn't going to happen. Please reopen if I'm wrong or if something changes. (And I'm still not sure I'd want it to happen, though I guess we could make it work somehow; possibly by releasing Pillow as both Pillow & PIL for a while.)

[verhovsky]

I started a PEP 541 issue about this on the pypa repo

https://github.com/pypa/warehouse/issues/6660

[aclark4life]

@verhovsky Never say never, I guess… thanks for trying! Also need @python-pillow/pillow-team to think about how to support it, if it happens.