Issues with Italian braille tables

[AppleUser03]

Steps to reproduce:

If Italian 6 dot computer braille is set as input table:

1. Press dots 4-6 on the braille display keyboard once to mark the first letter of the following word as capital or twice to mark the whole word as capital.
2. Begin writing a word.
   If Italian 8 dot computer braille is set as input table, write a word containing h using the braille display keyboard.

Actual behavior:

If Italian 6 dot computer braille is set as input table, it writes numbers as if the number sign has been typed. If Italian 8 dot computer braille is set as input table, when writing the word, the letter immediately following h is not written. For example, when writing "hello", NVDA says: h, dots 1-5, l, l, o, and e is not written.

Expected behavior:

If Italian 6 dot computer braille is set as input table, it should write the first letter of the word as capital when pressing dots 4-6 once or the whole word as capital if pressed twice. If Italian 8 dot computer braille is set as input table, it should write the letter after h.

NVDA logs, crash dumps and other attachments:

System configuration

NVDA installed/portable/running from source:

Installed, portable and running from source

NVDA version:

2024.4.2

Windows version:

Windows 11 version 24H2 build 26100.4061

Name and version of other software in use when reproducing the issue:

This occours in every text box, regardless from the software

Other information about your system:

iMac 18,2 (Intel Core i5 7500, 16 GB DDR4 RAM, Radeon Pro 560) with Windows 11 installed via Bootcamp

Other questions

Does the issue still occur after restarting your computer?

Yes

Have you tried any other versions of NVDA? If so, please report their behaviors.

I tried all stable and beta releases of NVDA from 2016.4 to 2025.1beta5 and all have the same behaviour

If NVDA add-ons are disabled, is your problem still occurring?

Yes

Does the issue still occur after you run the COM Registration Fixing Tool in NVDA's tools menu?

Yes

[SaschaCowley]

This sounds like it's an issue with Liblouis. Can you please open an issue with them, and include a link to the issue here? Please do not close this issue, as we will use it to keep track of the problem.

[AppleUser03]

Here is the link to the issue on LibLouis repository:
liblouis/liblouis#1783 (comment)

[seanbudd]

@AppleUser03 @LeonarddeR - could you assist Italian translators to work with the liblouis project to update the tables?
liblouis/liblouis#1783 (comment)

[CyrilleB79]

FYI, the Italian translator and last author listed in the 8-dot table is Simone (@dreinn).

[dreinn]

Hello everyone,
I’m the person who in the past worked on the 8-dot braille table for Italy.
I’ve never touched the 6-dot one, and I believe it has been stuck since the early 2000s, maybe even earlier. I’m not joking.
The matter is very simple: I’ve explained in mailing lists, at conferences, in seminars where I was invited, and to anyone who asked, that I no longer work on the braille table for the simple reason that one person cannot do everything.
I’m more than happy to work on NVDA, on its translation and dissemination, but I’m not able to also take care of braille. Someone else has to do it.
And unfortunately, I’m sorry to say it, no one has taken charge of the situation, at least for the 8-dot table.
The only thing I know is that the 6-dot table was redone by Tommaso Nonis, because JAWS also uses Liblouis, and since he works for the Italian company that translates that screen reader, he got in touch with the Liblouis team and, I believe and hope, it will be included in the next Liblouis update.
I want to be clear: this is not a lack of cooperation.
But I can’t take care of the 8-dot table anymore. NVDA is already enough for me, along with my other hobbies.