man_made=petroleum_well in things overlay?

[matkoniecz]

I have no massive experience with them, but they seem to fit well.

They are in iD presets. For now I added them to https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tcLm0EDWoCBdkq1N0pKebtksJcF2vMtUgKc9h96fuF0/edit?tab=t.0

they had cameo in #5373 and were not mentioned in #4912 or that online doc before my edit

if you have opinions/thoughts - feel free to comment!

(opening discussion only as it is digression from planing a cycling trip to visit some of them, turns out that some are present near Kraków)

[BalooUriza]

Being in the Cherokee Nation right now, it's at least a 3 hour drive in the shortest direction to get out from being over one of the largest oilfields on Earth. It's common for people to use oil wells, batteries, pipeline inspection sites and pipeline valve sites as landmarks, especially in rural and wilderness areas where there's not a lot of obvious and permanent landmarks that stand out, if they're not working on that stuff themselves. Having oil batteries, valves, etc easily added from within SC would be amazing.

Could also potentially be useful to have rechecked periodically. Halflife of oilfield sites is about 7 years so there's probably hundreds I've mapped that would be due for that immediately. Potential followup for an "is this still here?" no answer would be if the site appears to have been cleaned up or if it appears to have merely been abandoned, with clean-up being delete it, and abandoned tagging abandoned=yes, since abandoned wells potentially present a mortal hazard in the form of a miles-deep hole.

[westnordost]

Looks like structure to me.

[westnordost]

It doesn't matter if some or most are small, it matters if some may be large enough to be considered structures.

[paulklie]

But under that argument, would we not have to exclude a lot of things that are already added? For example

• Bicycle parking can be a structure (underground parking for example)
• Fountains can be quite big: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_of_Wealth#/media/File:Fountain_of_Wealth_(2025)_Singapore_-_img_18.jpg
• A bench can be very long
• clocks can be huge: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_clock_faces

I think I would agree if we had a separate "Add structure" option, but without it, does adding this cause any harm? I don't think a user could be confused.

[mnalis]

I think I would agree if we had a separate "Add structure" option, but without it, does adding this cause any harm? I don't think a user could be confused.

I didn't understand those comments to mean that man_made=petroleum_well should not be added; but instead that adding it would better fit in Places than Things overlay. But maybe I misunderstood the issue 🤷‍♂️

[westnordost]

ωell, we are not getting anywhere like this. Arguing like that, whataboutism, will lead to feature creep and we end up with an ever-more soft border between what's included in the "things" overlay and in the end it will become an "everything" overlay.

So, to advance here, someone should make a (collaborative) sheet or map on what things should be included in the things overlay and which structures are not included. And then, when we have that overview, we might want to review where we draw the line.

[paulklie]

Fair point, sorry for dragging the discussion off track.